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Why print this
interview?
In 1997 I happened to see Aajonus
Vonderplanitz mentioned in the M2M magazine. I then
purchased and read his book (We Want To Live), and later that
year I attended a seminar he was giving to doctors. He claimed
having had success within 3 months time with 236 out of 240
cancer cases (cancer checked) he put on his unique
diet.
Below is an interesting interview with Aajonus
Vonderplanitz conducted by Charlie Donham for the Natural Health
M2M magazine in 1999, that I am happy to be able to
publish here, with permission from Aajonus and M2M.
The
interview is presented here for people who are interested in
the possibilities of superior health using a primitive
paleolithic type diet, 100% raw.
Note: some of
Aajonus' ideas are different from my viewpoints and Natural
Hygiene, but are challenging and should be discussed
and tested. You are always welcome to call me if you have
tested this type of eating and want to share your
experience.
Stanley S. Bass, Jan 2000
(718)
648-1500
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Interview with Aajonus
Vonderplanitz
I am delighted that
you have agreed to do an interview with our little health
journal. I think you will find the membership eager to listen
to your views; however, better understanding will occur with
as much verification of your points as this format will allow.
If you would, start by telling us about yourself and your
practice in the nutritional field, as well as something about
your earlier Illnesses and the road to your present standard
of health. If you could elaborate on that with some data, It
would be helpful.
.tmp) I was born very sickly into a violent
household. I had a brother who was still in diapers when I was
born. He went from having had mother's full attention to
having none and he never forgave me for it. He tortured me
nearly daily. My father's discipline put me in the hospital
several times.
My dyslexia and autism, which no one
understood at the time, embarrassed and frustrated my parents.
My dyslexia was to the extent that the printed page would
swirl and I got vertigo. If I tried to read I would vomit. I
tried holding the page down with my finger but my parents and
teachers would not let me. Because I was borderline autistic
and sickly I rarely played with other children.
Near my
10th birthday I developed peritonitis which was a severe
intestinal infection. Doctors misdiagnosed it as appendicitis.
When they discovered that my appendix was fine, they took it
out anyway "in case it causes you problems in the future".
My bones were brittle, and I regularly broke bones in
my limbs. I was diagnosed as borderline diabetic at 13. I
developed angina pectoris muscle spasms in and around the
heart by age 15½. I was diagnosed with juvenile diabetes at
that age.
At 19 I developed an ulcer that turned tumorous
after medical therapies. After surgery the incision turned
tumorous from outer skin to stomach. It was large. Doctors
ordered it irradiated. and that caused me to develop Multiple
Myeloma (blood and bone cancers). Multiple Myeloma survivors
are less than 0.01%. Doctors ordered chemotherapy, which is
like napalming the body, destroying mostly healthy cells to
try and eliminate a few cancer cells. For every cancer cell
that is killed by chemotherapy, 1 billion healthy cells are
killed. That is like killing everybody on the planet because
you don't like 6 people.
The chemotherapy made me a
semi-invalid, and gave me psoriasis and bursitis. I refused to
continue chemo after 3 months. I chose to die rather than be
completely crippled for the rest of my short life. At that
point I had had 7 "incurable" diseases.
A volunteer
for a hospice gave me a small booklet written by a woman who
cured herself of cancer after by drinking raw carrot
juice. I thought that was pretty bizarre and unrealistic.
But read the book anyway. I tried the carrot juice.
Within 10 days my dyslexia vanished. There I was at
22 years old never having read more than 20 pages of a book,
finally able to read. I read voraciously about diets and
nutrition. If I went 7-10 days without drinking the raw carrot
juice dyslexia returned.
I experimented with diets,
food-combining and sometimes supplements. The macrobiotic diet
seemed to put my cancers in remission but exacerbated my
diabetes and psoriasis.
I began experimenting with helping
people who had health problems. I experienced some spectacular
healing with raw foods, especially with enormous consumption
of raw fat, like raw cream from cows, in combination
with vegetable juices.
By my 25th birthday I
was eating totally raw food vegan-fruitarian style. At 27
after 2 years eating completely raw, I had enough energy to go
wild, even though I was regularly so hungry as a raw-food
vegan/fruitarian that sometimes I overate until I vomited.
I mounted a bicycle and peddled for 2½ years all over
North America from coast to coast and from Alaska to Central
America. I lived off the earth. sleeping on the ground, or in
trees when it rained. and picking fruit off plants. All of the
physical stress that came from traveling and living in the
elements helped burn up all of the sugar from fruitarianism.
Osteoporosis became apparent, but I did not then as I
should have attribute it to the demineralization caused by
large fruit consumption. I felt euphoric most of the time I
did not realize that my extreme highs were mania created
excessive fruit.
I searched for answers to complete
healing. I wanted to reverse the damage done by medical
therapies and not ever be bothered by any of my lingering
diseases. I knew that I would not find answers in a society
that postulated dictums based on theory. I wanted experience
to be my teacher. I lived with somewhat primitive people
learning their healing and dietary techniques. I observed
healthy animals for weeks at a time.
After 2½ years my
cancers resurged. Rather than fight it. I chose to die. I
selected an old Native American burial ground and began
fasting myself to death. After several weeks fasting I had an
unusual experience with coyotes. They gave me a freshly killed
wild jackrabbit. I thought it would kill me if I ate it raw.
(I had been told by all of my medically and scientifically
minded relatives that wild rabbits contained bacteria or virus
that would kill a human.) I knew that fasting to death could
take at least 60 days. I wanted to end my life more
quickly, so I ate the rabbit raw. I returned to my
campsite and lay down to die expecting severe stomach cramps
that I was told accompanied bacterially or virally
contaminated food. I felt euphoric, calm and happy. I thought
that I was leaving my diseased body because I felt so good.
But I woke the next morning having had the first
completely restful sleep of my life. I was nearly age 30. I
began hunting. I ate rattle-snakes and birds. I worked farms
for raw milk, cream, eggs and chickens. Within a few months I
felt robust and strong.
I returned to Los Angeles to
spread the wonderful news. Everybody thought that I had lost
my mind. Over the next year my health increased by leaps and
bounds because of the addition of raw meat to my raw
diet.
However because of misinformation about
foodborne illness from bacteria and parasites I ate raw meat
only two or three times a week usually fish or chicken. I
always ate it with the fear that there would be a time when
bacteria or parasites would sicken and kill me.
I began to
jog then run. I ran up to 13 miles, did 250 pushups with my
feet 2-3 feet off the ground, and 30 handstand pushups every
day for 1 year. Because I had been so weak throughout my life
and at this point I could do so much I felt invincible. People
commented on how extraordinarily healthy I looked.
I
was hired by a health food store as the nutritionist. A few
people listened and tried the raw meat, fish and chicken.
Their increased health was always remarkable.
I
experimented with supplements. The more supplements I consumed
the weaker I got. I realized within 6 months that supplements
were toxic on a raw diet. Over the 2-year period I observed
that most people who took megavitamin therapy developed toxic
livers and glands. It showed up in their irises as well as
temperaments and physical condition. But because they
experienced an increase in energy. they thought it beneficial.
Their highs were from toxic emergencies - the liver sending
out hormones calling forth glycogen to handle the toxicity.
Supplement-toxicity is similar to coffee or cigarettes,
most often producing debilitating side effects. It destroyed
my desire and ability to exercise. I never returned to
exercise and yet I developed and redeveloped the physique that
accompanies strenuous regular exercise.
I continued
eating raw meat once or twice weekly, and my health gradually
increased. Whenever I experienced detoxification, healing was
always a progress toward better functionality. I did not
deteriorate as most people do on cooked foods or meatless raw
foods. I knew I was on the right track by eating raw meat, but
I could not set aside the bacteria and parasite phobias. I was
especially concerned because the vagus nerve to my stomach had
been severed in surgery for stomach cancer. I had no
hydrochloric acid to dissolve and annihilate bacteria and
parasites upon entering my body. Science and medicine put me
in the category of octogenarians who they say, are in danger
of death from bacterial and parasitic invasion from lack of
hydrochloric acid in the stomach. I continued to eat meat
anyway.
In my 35 year I misidentified a poisonous
mushroom and ate it. It was the deadliest amanita mushroom,
the 'death cap'. I ate enough to kill people my size. My
cancers returned twice as bad as they had ever been, and it
destroyed 90% of my liver. Along with severe liver-pain,
extreme weight loss. and body cramps, my diabetes returned.
Every book on the death cap mushroom said that death came
within 10 days and it was welcomed. No one in written history
had survived after eating 1/15 the amount I had. I was a
semi-invalid again. I healed slowly by eating plenty of raw
fat. Too slowly. After 1 1/2 years of healing I began eating
meats almost daily, including beef, lamb, buffalo, seafood and
organically grown fowl. Healing time doubled and diabetes
vanished. But it took me 6 1/2 years to recover to a somewhat
balanced state of being and my cancers to reenter remission
for the third time. It took 11 years to recover to where I had
been before I consumed the poisonous mushroom. But I recovered
completely.
After 12 years eating raw meat and never
having had any more than a little diarrhea that might have
been associated with it, I learned to relax and not fear raw
foodborne bacteria and parasites. It seemed to me - at that
point - that all of that hullabaloo about raw food borne
bacteria and parasites was superstitious like the witch
hunt of old times. My research showed that the FDA's research
on foodborne bacterial illness, 24-81 million cases a year,
stated that over 96% were cooked and processed canned and
bottled food related. Raw was getting the rap, but cooked and
processed were the culprits.
I experimented and found that
raw foods soured and/or spoiled with lots of bacterial
activity but did not putrefy. Only cooked and processed food
putrefied. Only cooked and processed foods contained lipid
oxides and disease producing protein toxins. The worst that
soured and spoiled raw food caused sometimes was nausea and
diarrhea with occasional cramps and fever and, rarely, a
little blood in the stool - whereas cooked and processed
putrefied food often caused such severe poisoning that lives
were lost or near death.
It seems to me that science and
medicine are in total denial or that they are protecting the
processed food industry and restaurants.
My
nutritional career unofficially began in 1969. Since I hadn't
died in 1961 when doctors said I would. I thought that I had
had some answers to better health. In 1969 I began advising
and suggesting healing methodologies for people, especially
particulars about diet.
Now that I look back on my life, I
wonder how I could have been so confident, even arrogant, to
advise anyone with the little knowledge and experience that I
had. I knew a lot about disease but little about health and
healing. I seemed to have a fairly good intuition for it.
However, I adhered to certain idealistic concepts that
interfered and sabotaged my intuition. I misled people into
veganism and/or fruitarianisin because I believed that all
meat was poisonous and bad karma. I didn't realize that
something had to be killed to sustain life whether animal,
vegetable or fruit. That is a law of this planet. I did
not realize that only cooked meats contained poisons (i.e.
lipid oxides and protein toxins). In my early years as a
nutritionist I helped many and hurt many. Because my help was
always greater than my mishaps, I continued to counsel.
After I learned about the tremendous properties of raw
fats my successes reached 60%. After I learned about the
fantastic healing characteristics of eating raw meat, my
successes with disease rose to 75%. After I learned the
techniques for amounts and particulars that certain foods had,
my successes reached 85% and better, depending upon the
disease.
Occasionally there was relatively immediate
healing. Most often though, healing requires time to build
strength, detoxify and regenerate.
The fact of healing
according to Dr. F. Pottenger's work is that it takes 5
generations to achieve optimal health.
It takes
approximately 10 days to replace every cell (one generation)
in the blood, 2 1/2 years to replace one generation (every
cell) of glands. Approximately 4 1/2 years to replace one
generation of arteries, approximately 5 years to replace one
generation of intestines and tendons, approximately 6 years to
replace one generation of cartilage, and approximately 7 1/2
years to replace one generation of bone.
Therefore, to
achieve one's optimal health in a particular body part, it
takes 5 generations: that is 7 weeks for the blood, 2 years
for glands, 22 1/2 years for the arteries, 25 years for
intestines and tendons, 30 years for cartilage, and 37 1/2
years for bone. Usually, healing enough to stop disturbing
pain can he achieved during the first generation of
healing.
Many of our members are Natural
Hygienists and have chosen to eat a vegetarian (vegan and raw
primarily) diet. Many fast on occasion to allow their body to
eliminate the toxic condition from daily stress. How do you
view this practice of fasting and what experiences or data
could you share with us on these views?
I have
completed approximately 75 fasts from 1969-1981 of various
lengths -- many 1-day-a-week fasts, several 5-day, 10-day and
15-day fasts. One 31-day fast and one 41-day fast. During 60%
of them I drank water only with no cheating ever. During 40% I
drank all or some of my urine and a little water.
During
the 41-day fast I drank all of my urine and a little water.
Each one, including 1-day fasts was difficult. The easier of
the long-term fasts was the 41-day drinking urine because of
the nutrients in the urine. Urine is the blood with most of
the red blood cells removed and a little ammonium added by the
kidneys. During the 41-day fast (I should call it a urine
feast) I lost the least amount of weight and energy, had the
fewest headaches and had better disposition but my breath was
atrocious all of the time.
The 31-day fast on water only I
did at age 27. It took me 2 1/2 years to regain my
equilibrium. The last intellectually motivated fast I did at
age 33 - the 41-day urine fast. It took me 1 1/2 years to
regain my strength.
I found that fasting longer than 3
days was impossible without daily enemas to dilute the toxins
in the bowels. Enemas destroyed the bacteria that is the major
constituent of feces but so did the toxicity from fasting. I
had constant headaches, depression, anxiety and nausea without
enemas.
I stopped fasting when I realized that the side
effects of forced-fasting were greater than the benefits. The
benefit of ketosis, cellular cannibalism, which usually occurs
within 12 hours of fasting is that it reduces the
overpopulation of sluggish cells, leaving the stronger cells
and those that overproduce prostaglandins. This is a process
of mass genocide via cannibalism. The deleterious effects are
that blood maintains a higher acid ratio weakening and
damaging red blood cells and their ability to transport
oxygen.
If fasting continues beyond 2 days severe
blood-fat deficiency occurs. The body leeches fats from the
lymph system and cells to maintain it. This fat- leeching
weakens the immune system.
Another deleterious effect of
fasting is that the necessary bacteria level in the intestines
diminishes. Since 60-90% of fecal matter is born of bacteria,
constipation results and severely diminishes bacterial
synthesis of B vitamins and amino acids. This further weakens
and diminishes the immune system.
Another side effect from
fasts, resulting from blood-fat end lymph deficiencies is that
many toxins from either industrial pollution or natural
by-products of metabolism are freed. They irritate, burn and
often imbed in the stronger cells, therefore weakening them.
Fat, especially in lymph, usually binds with toxins and either
neutralizes or escorts them out of the body through the mucus
mem- branes, skin or bowels. If great collections of these
toxins occur during fasting, kidney damage results. These
side-effects usually create edema, especially when eating is
resumed. The body often tries to dilute the toxins when it
does not have enough fat to chelate and remove them. Mutations
some-times result.
My conclusion after 13 years
experience and research with intellectually motivated fasts is
that fasts are often more deleterious than helpful. They may
have their place, but I won t gamble with people's lives using
fasts as therapy.
When certain situations are favorable and
if an individual has no appetite, I may suggest that
they fast until hungry. However, if the individual is
anorexic, I do not suggest that they fast.
I have
replaced fasts with a formula of raw vegetable juices (rarely
fruit juices) and raw eggs. This supplies the nutrients to
form solvents to remove toxicity and the fats necessary to
eliminate them from the body. It is not as dramatic an
experience, but it works well, and more people are able to do
it and still function.
You say that fasting
weakens the immune system, but Shelton and others noticed just
the opposite - that colds/flus/infections in progress would
cease within a few days of starting a fast, and that new ones
would never occur.
Concluding that because colds
and flus often cease during fasts does not mean that health is
improved. It has been my experience that colds and flus and
all other diseases are detoxification. I have experienced and
observed that colds and flus often ceased during fasts because
the body could no longer tolerate such major detoxification.
Some detoxification continued to occur during fasts, however
it was mainly the tremendous toxicity from the body
cannibalism (acidosis). Weaker cells are consumed to feed
healthier cells. Fasts force the survival-of-the-fittest
reality as in most starved species. This in consequence
creates a somewhat healthier body because it eliminates so
many weaker and decaying cells.
In most circumstances,
because the body usually requires much time and nutrients,
especially fats and proteins, to detoxify and recover from
fasts and because most people do not eat diets that provide
proper nutrients, people lack the nutrients necessary to
ideally enter regular major detoxification like colds and
flus. Especially in our toxic environment bodies need major
detoxification regularly.
It is also known that
the starving prisoners of nazi death camps were less
susceptible to typhoid than their "well-fed" guards. This, if
anything, indicates a strengthened not weakened, immune system
How do you explain things like this?
I do not
attribute increased immunity of typhoid to starving. The high
consumption of alcohol and drugs among guards seems to have
contributed to the greater susceptibility to typhoid. Starving
prisoners died of typhoid.
Your book was very
informative about the role of raw animal fats, meat, and eggs
for the proper nutritional fuel for our bodies. Would you
please tell us what you feel is a proper level of raw animal
products in our diet, and how you reached this conclusion?
For each individual the proper ratio of raw animal
products may vary. Experience has shown me that over time raw
animal products produce the calmest, most balanced human
nature with excellent mental clarity.
For the last few
years my raw animal products consumption has been
approximately 80% by volume of my diet. I restrict high
fructose fruit to one a day and almost always eat it with a
high fat food such as unsalted raw cheese, raw butter, raw
cream, raw milk, raw egg(s), avocado and/or raw coconut.
As an example of the extreme, the Eskimo ate 99% raw
animal products and lived free of degenerative disease before
white men introduced cooking cauldrons, breads and refined
sugar to them. By several accounts of world travelers and
explorers they considered the Eskimo the happiest of all
races.
Their first case of dental decay was 50 years after
cauldrons, breads and refined sugar were introduced. The
dental caries only existed among those who ate some or all of
white man's food. Cancer never occurred among primitive
Eskimo.
I resisted a predominantly animal products
diet for fear I would feel dull and sluggish because of the
low enzyme and mineral content of feed given to farm animals.
When I finally attempted it I felt dull and sluggish.
As a
vitamin, enzyme and mineral supplement I introduced 1 quart a
day of raw vegetable juice divided into 5 or 6 portions, often
adding 1 ounce raw cream, raw milk or raw coconut cream to
each portion, or ate a small amount of unsalted raw cheese.
The juice perfectly balanced me and prevented the craving for
high fructose fruit that resulted from eating animal products.
I avoid the high fructose fruit consumption because it
causes manic thought and lack of regular clarity. I eat from
3/4 - 3 lbs of meat almost daily (that is, red meat and/or
seafood and/or fowl).
What objective test
measurements have you made on yourself before and since
starting this raw flesh diet? Do you monitor any bio-markers
like pulse rate, blood pressure, body temperature, various
blood parameters? If so, what are they? Have you had a bone
scan for osteoporosis? If so, with what result?
While I was a raw-food fruitarian/vegan my pulse rate
averaged 62, blood pressure averaged 107/70, and body
temperature 96.8 deg. I was frequently manic, easily tired or
exhausted and quick to be outraged. As a raw-flesh eater my
pulse averages 70, blood pressure 127/80 and body temperature
97.7 deg F.
I rarely experience mania or lethargy, easily
remain calm, and have at least five times more energy and
clarity.
I have not had a bone scan. However, my bones
do not easily break as they did when I was a child. I have had
several situations where if I had had osteoporosis I would
have broken bones but did not. In one situation where had a
severe bicycle accident I broke seven bones in my foot. Six
hours later after a 14-year old girl set the bones in my foot
I walked 3 miles. The next day I bicycled 12 miles. I was
completely painless in 2 weeks. My bones healed 3 times faster
than the average person. Such skeletal healing does not occur
if osteoporosis exists.
One of the effects of
eating the raw animal products, I have noticed, is an
increased sex drive (without Viagra). You don't mention this
specifically in your book (if so, I missed it), however there
are several references to the high level of sex that you and
your clients enjoy. What are your findings in this area and do
you regard sexual energy as a health indicator? While Hygiene
does not frown on sex, they do caution that over activity in
this area is very enervating and to be avoided. What are your
views about what is over activity and its possible harmful
effects?
I cherish all enjoyments of embodiment.
My greatest pleasure is sexual sensuality. - It is the highest
measure of bodily euphoria, the best feeling. - It is a
balance for the routines of society that often lack pleasure.
- When I was under stress, which is rare for my state of
excellent health now, it released tension.
When I was a
vegan/fruitarian, ejaculatory orgasm was pleasurable but
draining. I got depressed, anxious and irritable if had
regular ejaculations. I have always had a high level of sex
hormones and have always since age 3 craved orgasm. My sexual
appetite did not change on any diet that I tried. On a raw
vegan/fruitarian diet I became more sexually frustrated.
Now that I consume so much raw protein and fat, I enjoy
sex 1-6 hours, have up to 3 ejaculations, and maintain energy
with only 5-6 hours sleep daily. I feel like I have
finally achieved and chosen heaven on Earth.
Regarding
sexual energy as a health indicator seems erroneous. Some
people simply do not have active sex glands and have little
sex hormones. resulting in low sex drive. However, they can be
incredibly healthy.
In your book, you stated
that you have not engaged in any form of physical exercise
(excluding sex of course) for the last seven years and have
been able to stay in excellent condition. How do you explain
this apparent contradiction from the accepted present view
that stressing the muscles is a requirement to maintaining
good physical conditioning?
When people don't eat
enough stable and/or digestible protein they lack proteins to
maintain all tissue, including muscle. I have found that raw
nuts, seeds and germinated grains and nuts do not provide most
people with stable protein for properly building and
maintaining well-formed tissue. When most people eat cooked
protein they consume lipid oxides and protein toxins causing
unstable nutrients for building or maintaining all tissues
unless they exercise. When they stop exercising muscles most
often dissipate readily and easily.
The seven-year
statement was in the context of 1986. It has been 19 years as
of April 1998 that I have not engaged in any form of physical
exercise except roller-skating once a month and regular sex.
Because I consume raw proteins and fat in the form of 1-3
pounds of meat (seafood, red meat and fowl) daily, my body
stays naturally muscular and fit. Most animals, if fed
their fresh, raw natural diets maintain excellent tone without
exercise.
You state in your book that it is
best to eat fruit with raw fats, so the fruit sugar will not
be so rapidly absorbed into our systems. What do you think
about high fruit diets?
High fructose diets
destabilize mineral levels causing osteoporosis, including
tooth decay and periodontitis. The only way to counter this is
with tremendous exercise or emotional stress that burns up the
sugars as quickly as possible. As I mentioned above, high
fructose diets as well as my high carbo-hydrate diet cause
blood sugar problem's resulting in manic thinking and/or
behavior, extreme fatigue or tiredness, irritability,
impatience and in some people frequent or uninterrupted
depression.
You recommend the use of stone
pressed oils (heated below 96 deg F) in our diets. You state
that they should not be eaten with vegetables, as in a salad.
Please explain the benefits of the oils and why the mixture
with vegetables is harmful?
Cold-pressed-below-96
deg F oils mainly provide solvents for detoxification. - They
may also be made into any fats as fuel, lubrication and
chelation, but not much. - These oils are chiefly cleansers.
The combination of vegetables (leaves, stalks and roots)
and cold pressed oils is most often inadvisable.
Vegetation in the human digestive tract is mainly undigested.
It would take at least one more stomach, 2 1/2 times more
length of digestive tract and 60,000 times more of the enzymes
that disassemble cellulose to derive much protein and fat from
vegetables. If you put cold-pressed oil, without being
premixed with raw vinegar, on vegetables the oil coats the
vegetables and further reduces the digestibility of the
vegetables.
You describe enzyme mutations in
your book. Could you explain this process our members and its
relevance to health the SAD diet?
In order for the
body to handle the altered chemicals and compounds in cooked
food the body must create enzymes that will utilize them to
the best of its ability. Because these enzymes are very
different from those naturally made from and for the
utilization of raw food, I call them enzyme mutations. If the
body cannot make the enzyme mutations to utilize adulterated
nutrients caused by cooking, allergies will develop as more of
the non-utilizable chemicals and compounds collect in the
body.
You stated that raw fats and meats
taken from natural sources are essential to excellent health.
You mention this as a new food group. What exactly are
you including in this group, and what levels of daily
consumption do you recommend?
Actually, the writer
of the Forword to Volume 2 of my book called it another food
group. He did this to stress that the healthy effects of
eating raw fats and meats are so different from the poisonous
effects of eating cooked fats and meats.
Meats and fats
that are cooked produce extreme toxicity, whereas meats and
fats that are raw produce no toxic effects. Everyone should
completely disregard all knowledge of cooked fats and meats
when considering them raw.
For example, science and
medicine separate HDL and LDL cholesterol, calling one good
and the other bad. When fats are raw, both HDL and LDL
cholesterol are good, and a high cholesterol level is
beneficial. It reveals that, along with the fresh raw fats
that will lubricate, strengthen, fuel and cleanse, toxic
cholesterol from cooked and stored fats is being removed from
the body to be eliminated.
Do you include nuts
and seeds, and what levels of these do you think are
sufficient?
They are not easy to digest for most
people. I suggest that people eat them only when they have a
craving for them. Usually people who eat meat do not crave
nuts and seeds. Also Dr. Strueyer of the Costner excavations
determined that as Native Americans began eating nuts and
seeds they developed osteoporosis.
You stated
earlier that Eskimos were very healthy, and now you say
nuts/seeds cause osteoporosis. Yet it is also known that meat
and dairy products are big promoters of osteoporosis and that
Eskimos lived rather short life-spans and had brittle bones.
Could you comment on osteoporosis as regards to flesh and
dairy consumption?
According to Vilhjalmur
Stefansson in his book "Cancer: Disease Of Civilization? -
Chapter 14, The Longevity Of Primitive Eskimos", there was
only one community of Eskimo reported to have had a short
life-span. This report seems to have been used to propagandize
that Eskimo lived short lives. In all other reports primitive
Eskimo lived lives as long as we do, a few reached age 100
years. Eskimos who ate their normal animal diet enjoyed bones
and teeth that were so strong they were able to chew on bones
during evening congregations. Osteoporosis only occurred in
Eskimo who ate white man's refined foods.
As I stated
earlier, Native Americans developed osteoporosis when they
consumed more nuts and grains according to Dr. Stuart
Strueyer. It seems that Native Americans were not able to
assimilate the starch in nuts and grains, forming Advanced
Glycation End-products (AGE's), that is, glycotoxins.
Pasteurized dairy is known to cause osteoporosis. In
Medical Doctor William Campbell Douglass' book "The Milk
Book", he supplies many scientific reports that show raw milk
causes strong bones free of osteoporosis. Dr. Francis
Pottenger. M.D. demonstrated in his work with 900 cats over a
decade that raw dairy and raw meat built strong bones without
the consumption of bone.
My experience with others has
repeatedly confirmed that osteoporosis reversed by eating
raw meat and raw milk. According to Vilhjalmur Stefansson
in his book "Not By Bread Alone - Chapter 4: "The Laboratory
Check," no osteoporosis can he associated with eating an
exclusively animal and water diet, even when some meat was
cooked.
After I received irradiation and chemo
therapies, my cases of periodontal and carries degeneration
became extreme. My teeth moved loosely, and my gums bled from
the slightest touch even while eating. I was advised to have
all my teeth removed. I refused, and instead I began consuming
large quantities of raw milk. Within months my conditions
improved considerably and continued to improve for almost two
years.
But then I became a raw fruitarian/vegan. and
within two years after becoming a fruitarian/vegan my teeth
again began to decay. I thought it was a passing
detoxification but it lasted 4 years. When I began eating raw
dairy again and raw meat, decay subsided.
After I ate the
poisonous mushroom, periodontal and carries degeneration
resumed. Abscesses were near constant. Pain was chronic,
lasting for sometimes a month at a time. Three wisdom teeth
and one molar rotted and self-extracted in my mouth within 1
1/2 years.
That is when I began to eat raw meat on a daily
basis. This controlled the pain to a large degree.
Now, 17
years later, I have many opened cavities which have sealed
themselves. I have no false teeth in my mouth and am missing
only one molar. Four of seven crowns remain in my mouth from
1978. My teeth are so firmly connected to the strong jaw bones
that I have only experienced pain during detoxes once every
2-3 years, lasting no more than 3 days. Even though my teeth
are in poor appearance, they are strong.
Eating
such high levels of raw animal foods will elevate the body's
cholesterol numbers compared to a vegetarian diet. How do you
explain this contradiction to prevailing views on the need to
keep cholesterol numbers low? Also, what level of cholesterol
do you look for in your clients?
I have
experienced that cholesterol levels should be ignored. I have
found that it doesn't matter what the cholesterol level is if
the cholesterol is taken or made from raw fats. Cooked fats
are the problem because they are cauterized and can no longer
exchange ions properly if at all. Therefore they eventually,
in 20-50 years, dry and crack. If the fat were a part of an
artery the artery would dry and crack. Raw fats continue to
exchange ions no matter how long they are in the body,
remaining much more fluid.
You speak of
cholesterol values not being significant for raw fooders. Are
you aware that Paavo Airola died of a stroke in his 60's,
presumably from all the raw dairy in his diet? How do you
explain this?
Although I have read some of his
books, I know nothing about Paavo Airola's personal diet. I
don't know his heart condition before he became a
predominantly raw fooder. I do not know the extent of his
cooked fat intake.
According to the immense research of W
C Douglass MD, a high raw fat diet does not cause any heart
conditions especially regarding the consumption of raw milk.
I was confused by all of the same assumptive theories -
that is why I rejected most and found my own results.
Relating to my personal experience I point out that I had
angina from age 15. I have not suffered angina since I added
flesh to my diet. More than 90% of my clients who had high
cholesterol levels for years on cooked diets lowered their
cholesterol levels to normal within 6 months on a raw diet,
that included tremendous amounts of raw fat and meat.
Evidence has shown me that the presumption that raw dairy
was responsible for Airola's death is likely to be false.
Do you think any raw meat is ok, including
supermarket quality? If not, where do you get high quality
meat? What about the concentration of environmental pesticides
in animal flesh and fats?
From laboratory analysis
that I arranged with a technician on feces from raw meat
eaters who ate supermarket quality red meat, tests showed that
the same concentrations of toxins that were found in the fat
of the meat passed out in the feces with the fat molecules
relatively unchanged. These tests were done 9 years ago. I do
not know if these same results could occur with present-day
concentrations of chemicals and processed animal meals being
fed to animals. I eat antibiotic-free and hormone-free red
meat whenever I can, usually Coleman meat that I purchase at
health food stores. When traveling to some locations I eat
supermarket red meat. I have not had any ill reaction to
supermarket red meat. I eat tremendous amounts of raw fat to
bind with toxins and eliminate them from the body: that is one
of the major functions of fats in our polluted society. I only
eat poultry that is raised antibiotic free and free range. I
do not eat farmed fish.
Are avocados a good
source of fat? If nut/seed fat is inferior to animal fat, why
is this so? The only thing you cite is osteoporosis, but that
applies equally well, if not more so, to meat and dairy.
Avocados are an excellent source of fat: however,
when I tried using avocado to stabilize dental conditions, I
rarely received the beneficial results that I do with animal
fat. I experienced that in most people avocado is utilised for
hormonal fluids and functions, and for detoxification.
I
have not done any laboratory testing on why nut and seed fats
rarely lubricate and stabilize the human body. I concluded
from others research that the main problem was the result of
improper starch utilization forming glycotoxins. I have
experienced that nut and seed fats are mainly utilized for
detoxification such as in the making of body solvents.
Animal fat stabilizes or soothes the tissues readily and
easily in most cases. Again, I have only seen evidence that
raw meat and raw dairy reverse osteoporosis, not cause it.
You state that parasites are a myth ……
The parasite myth is that they are pathogenic
always. It has been my experience that parasites are able to
eat and digest tremendous quantities of decaying tissue in
short periods: that is a detoxification process. When an
individual has parasites. s/he is afforded the quickest
process of detoxification. However, unless s/he eats enough
and assimilates enough protein to regenerate cells and replace
the tissue, s/he is more likely to have ulcers that may fester
and kill her/him. I have found that with the consumption of
raw meats that provide the nutrients necessary for quick
regeneration parasites are beneficial. By the use of
antibiotics, strains of bacteria and viruses have developed
that are immune to all known antibiotics. Medical science has
discovered that bacteria and viruses can mutate, becoming
immune to existing antibiotics. This is creating a very weak
race. Basically, medical science creates a weak human race
that will be highly susceptible to advanced bacteria and
viruses. This could likely result in a plague that would make
any previous plague look minor, resulting in an extinction
level event.
... yet one of our former raw food
M2M 'ers who eats meat, Zephyr, did in fact poison himself
with trichinosis parasites from eating wild raw mongoose. How
do you explain this?
I do not know Zephyr. I do
not have knowledge of his situation, however, I heard of this
and investigated the likely occurrence of trichinosis from
mongoose. I could not find research or facts linking
trichinosis to mongoose.
I found one individual who said
that mongoose have one or more sacs their necks that contain
fluid that can be poisonous to most animals, including humans.
It is possible that Zephyr ate one or more of these sacs,
poisoned some of his intestinal walls and developed his own
case of trichinosis to detoxify the decaying tissue that
resulted from the poisoning. Trichinosis usually takes at
least several days to gestate before any ill symptoms are
detectable. Zephyr could have had an existent ill condition
that required trichinosis for quick detoxification, and his
trichinosis had nothing to do with eating the mongoose. If
Zephyr had maintained a raw meat diet, his trichinosis would
probably have passed without any severe scarring. If he had I
serious allergy to the mongoose's sacular fluid, his chances
of recovery may have been impaired.
These are all
hypotheses: I do not have direct knowledge of Zephyr and his
condition.
I hear that other Instinctos in
Hawaii have experienced parasitic infections too.
Again, I experienced that parasites are beneficial
when an individual consumes a raw diet that includes raw
animal products, especially raw meats. An analogy is the
present-day use of young maggots to clean and heal festered
wounds in a matter of 3 to 5 days. That impresses me.
Under your food-as-remedy section of your book,
you mention that mineral deficiency is improved by using a
little sun dried clay mixed in mineral water. Other
authorities state that using inorganic minerals will not aid
in the body's healing process. Please explain your point of
view and how you came to these conclusions?
Clay
is like a food, especially when moist, and therefore the
minerals are not inorganic. The body can utilize the minerals
fairly well. However, as I state in my book, fresh raw
vegetable juices provide the best, although in some cases
incomplete, mineral concentrations. Cheese is also a
concentrated source of organic minerals. My conclusions are
always based on consistent good results and research.
You list many illnesses in your book, along
with diets to supply needed nutrient: to allow the body to
heal itself. NH recommends only that a healthy diet be
followed, nothing specific to the illness. Would you please
share your views with us on the use of specific foods for
specific illnesses?
When I was a raw food
vegan/fruitarian eating mainly mono-meals. I often observed
certain effects from particular foods. I simply logged the
effects and experimented with certain diseases and particular
foods.
You also state in your book that
distilled water is not to be used because it will rob the body
of minerals. What do you base this conclusion upon, actual
experiments or other sources that you could share with us?
I don't remember any negative literature on the
subject. I drank distilled water for nearly two years,
1969-70. My skin became edemic, thinner, and psoriasis
increased.
In the 80's I experimented feeding distilled
water to animals. Over the equivalent 2-year period of their
lives, they developed slight osteoporosis, fragile tissue and
general edema. After placing one suffering group on raw milk
and another on regular mineral water, both groups reversed the
osteoporosis, thinning skin and edema. The raw milk group
reversed it in 1/3 the time that the other group experienced.
That sounds like an interesting experiment.
Have you written up the results and published the raw data
anywhere?
I tried to publish many of my
experiments over the years. Continually, I was refused for
lack of appropriate academic credentials, proper laboratory
environments, and because my findings and conclusions were too
contradictory.
People everywhere, especially in the press,
are literally afraid to risk health. Recently, I was asked to
write an article entitled "Health or Disease: Do We have a
Choice?" for Hispanos magazine by an editor whom I have known
for many years. After 3 days' work I submitted it. The
editor-in-chief refused to publish it because of its
controversial content.
You are a big proponent
of unheated honey and unheated bee pollen. Can you tell us how
you came to believe so strongly in these two foods?
I first learned about it from a military medical
doctor in Central America who observed that wounds healed 3-5
times faster if unheated honey was applied to wounds. I
experimented. both topically and internally with human and
non-human animals and proved the same results. I noticed that
the health of the digestive tract and. generally all tissues
improved considerably in most eases when considerable amounts
of unheated honey were consumed.
Food combining
is a hot issue within the Natural Hygiene organization. What
are your views on proper food combinations?
I have
observed that people on vegan or fruitarian diets lack
proteins. As this condition persists, the intestinal tract's
ability to develop and produce enzymes diminishes. Over a
period of years, especially after child-hood, fewer food
combinations are tolerated because of the lack of certain
enzymes. On a raw diet that is high in meat enzymes are easily
produced and most any combination is digestible, except
combining vegetation and meats, including vegetable juice,
because they neutralize the acid fluid and bacteria that
digest meat.
You tell the story of the feeding
and recovery of your son Jeff in the first part of the book.
This is an effective vehicle for introducing us to you and
your views, as well as to the opposing medical power that we
all have to face. How is your son doing, and is he still
following the diet you used while he was healing from the
accident?
His auto accident occurred in September
1986. The book takes the story to only April 1987. Jeff
recovered from that accident completely by August 1987 against
every prognosis by a team of neuro-specialists. He continues
to live in Cincinnati where he experiences much criticism from
eating raw meat. Consequently, he falls under pressure and
eats a raw diet only when he gets fatigued or depressed. When
he visits me he voluntarily eats 99% raw and always feels
better.
Can you cite any scientific
documentation to back up any of your nonstandard dietary
claims?
The works of Dr. Max Gerson, Dr. Lars
Erick Essen of Sweden's Vita Nova Clinic, Dr. Carl Otto Aly,
Dr. Gordon Latto, Dr. Phillip Kusby, Professor Hans Eppinger
from Vienna, H. Glatzel of Germany, Dr. Bircher Brenner of
Zurich, Dr. William C. Douglass and Dr. Vilhjalmur
Stefansson.
Have you been satisfied with the
public reception to your book?
I am impressed. My
publisher basically had an advertising budget of $5,000 that
was spent in a matter of weeks. The book is selling well
simply by word of mouth. Another publisher has asked to
publish a paperback edition but nothing has been negotiated.
Do you have any plans to write another?
I am presently working on a recipe book and a
pedagogue for my nutritional courses. The recipe book was
scheduled for completion December 31,1998, but I have been
involved in politics surrounding the ban of fresh raw dairy in
California and Los Angeles. I formed the organization Right to
Choose Healthy Food that will combat any legislation banning
people's right to chose raw food. The legal research and
letters campaign is time consuming. Right now the process
involves gathering signatures for petitions and letters to the
Los Angeles Board of Supervisors, the Governor and the Los
Angeles Medical Milk Commission, and donations. We are
researching and developing a class action law suit against the
state and county governments and possibly the federal
government for banning interstate transportation of raw dairy.
If you would give your readers our petition and letter we
would appreciate it. This is not simply about banning raw
dairy, it is about the banning of raw juices such as Odwalla's
apple juice that is always pasteurized now. Also, there's the
probability that all fresh foods will be required to be
irradiated with toxic radioactive material. The M.D.'s who
control health departments on federal, state, county and city
levels are so germ phobic that they are systematically trying
to ban all raw food. We could use your help to stop
them.
What sorts of projects or plans do you
have for the future?
Several individuals are
interested in clinical tests using my Native diet, and others
are simply interested in clinics using my Native diet. Those
are viable possibilities.
Another project is utilizing
fresh raw herbs and their juices with my diet to speed and
facilitate.
I am working on a book with more info on my
nutritional research to aid the classes that I give to
therapists, such as the one Stanley Bass attended. And I have
ceased these classes until my pedagogue is
finished.
Where do you see yourself 5 years from
now?
Providing that society survives the Y2K
problems, I see myself writing and directing movie's with
plots based on alternative therapies. Allopathic medicine has
dominated the media: I would like to see more than a modicum
toward alternatives.
May we include your
address and phone number in case our members have any
questions for you?
I require that people read my
book before I speak with them - most questions are answered in
the book.
If your question(s) are not answered in the
book, contact me at:
Aajonus
Vonderplanitz
Website: http://www.primaldiet.com/
The book mentioned is:
Aajonus Vonderplanitz
WE
WANT TO LIVE - Out of the grips of disease and death
-
"A few months after Aajonus
Vonderplanitz' 21th birthday he was diagnosed with terminal
blood and bone cancer...and given less than 1 year to live.
Now 29 years later, Aajonus takes us on his fascinating
personal journey ..."
Read quotes from the book at
http://www.primaldiet.com/
Aajonus' newest book "The Recipe For Living Without
Disease" contains unique diet information and recipes with
foods "you thought you should never eat because we were told
they are bad for us but, actually, make us healthier ...".
Dr. Bass recommends reading the
book.
Also see
mail-archive.com about bacteria: New theory of disease?
-- click here or here.
Aajonus
Vonderplanitz is the founder and executive director of the
consumer organization Right To Choose Healthy Food
which wants to preserve our right to buy fresh food that is
un-irradiated, unpasteurized and undestroyed.
The interview was made by:
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Also read: Primitive
Man - His Diet and Health - Dr. Bass about how
primitive people had excellent health, beauty, white teeth,
etc. before being introduced to modern processed foods, sugar
and white flour.
Also read: High-Carbohydrate
Problems - For 700,000 years humans ate a diet
of mainly meat, fat, nuts, and berries. Eight thousand years
ago we learned to farm, and our health declined. -- Dr. Bass
presents the Protein Power books.
Also read:
Why
eat less carbohydrates? - Dr. Bass introduces
Dr. Rosedale: Insulin's Metabolic Effects - about how
carbohydrates shorten our lifespan, and are the main culprit
behind many diseases.
Don't
miss this free download: - REMARKABLE RECOVERIES
FROM SEVERE HEALTH PROBLEMS - Dr. Bass' booklet
presenting how raw foods and juices have been used
clinically in medical institutions for over 100 years to help
patients recover from cancer and other diseases, even to
improve intelligence.
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